Public server since recent changes

[B-Boy]

Well, I dunno exactly what it is, and I have a hunch, but it's not just me that thinks the quality of play on the public server has dropped to a very low point.
It seems populated by some very noobish players who don't play like a team, and it's not surprising that a lot of us are finding it very tiring and not as fun.
Obviously, as you get better. you want to play with better players, but the fragmasters public server always seemed to offer that.
It could be that this all talk business is really putting the better players off, and you can hardly blame them. It could be that auto-assigning teams has put the more regular players off, because like it or not, some people like to play with their friends in a "team" game.
Half the fun of old was having an understanding with your team-mates, not just people you knew ofcourse, but people you could talk to without fear your enemy would hear, or people that you knew you had a good understanding with and so wanted to rejoin them for the next map, whether they were in fm! or not.
I really hope this drive for auto-assigning teams (which doesn't initially seem such a bad idea) isn't preventing non-fm! friends who like to play together as a team from joining anymore.
Maybe it's completely unrelated. But maybe it's not. I've not seen the public seem so unrewarding as this before.
The all talk issue needs addressing promptly. A full server doesn't necessarily mean a fun server for those that love it.

ps. It's almost like it's become a counterstrike source server, everyone for themselves, points mean everything! Teamfortress 2 has the word "team" in it. Some people might like to play with their friends in a team. This is not always possible at the moment. I've spoken to quite a few people about this, and they all seem to agree, that if, as friends, a few of us joined the public server for the first time now, saw all talk was on, played on some map called Stag, saw that we couldn't join the same team and witnessed the quality of play, we'd just go somewhere else more accomodating.

[DannY]

I kind of agree, since the auto team balance was introduced the quality of team work has dropped a lot and I dunno if it's just me that gets auto assigned to a certain player type but when I was playing last night we had about 6 medics, 5 engineers, 1 demoman and 3 snipers and it was crap because no one was trying to get to the next point.

Noobs joining the server can't be helped though but it does get quite frustrating when for example you have a noob medic standing right next to you and your calling for a medic and your not healed but not much you can do about that as we were all noobs once

Alltalk definatly needs to be turned off as I don't want to say anything on mic now incase the other team can hear me.

Also I dunno if it's just me that hates that cp_stag_b4 map, on paper it looks very good but its very poorly layed out and realy confusing to navigate around. The few times I've played it on fm tf2 server most people have been moaning about it and typing rtv so It can't just be me that dislikes it. Perhaps remove it for now?

[d0.]

i dont like the auto team , because A : no spectate possible , and i nearly always press random but SOMETIMES i just want to play with my friends ...

i hate alltalk ... a its no reason for it , the server is funny enough <-- but funny with skill ... and now we got no fun .. and no skill .. bring it back to the roots ..

[Dogmeat]

TBH we could use just a regular being admin and able to change stuff like maps and plug-ins on the server... Then there would be no need for making a topic for every single change :x

[B-Boy]

I tried to warn people that this might happen. Auto-assigning teams doesnt remove one-sided teams or anything approaching it. Like we established in a previous post about this, most people who voted for forced random admit they only want to "remove the fear in some people's heads that one team lost because there were more fm! players on the other team".
But I guess we all learn the hard way. Teamfortress 2 isn't a counterstrike game.
And I repeat, like or not, good TF2 players like to play as a team. And when you play as a team you make friends. And some friends like to play together on the same team. TF2 should promote this, not make it very hard or impossible to achieve.
I don't think any good tf2 player would choose to play on the public server in its current state. Why would they ?
And just cos a load of people vote for forced random, doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing for promoting good play and teamwork. If anything, it seems to have actively discouraged it.

[Prisk]

Ph33r doesnt trust people with the rcon Dogmeat.


And yeah i agree with everything being said here. Some maps need sorting out, the auto assign needs sorting, all talk needs sorting.

And also its really annoying how it chooses your class for you when you join the server.

[Ritz]

Theres no need for auto-assign with team balance on, and all-talk definitely lowers the standard of play on the server, with people less inclined to talk tactics over the mic.

Including some custom maps in the rotation is fine, so long as theres not so many that you are faced with an all-custom map vote all the time.

[d0.]

There are alot of changes , the problem is you have to test it out before you can say , this is shit or this .. but mr fraggi get not so mutch time , i can understand than , but he got some good helpers here in the forum , i think some of them can get the rcon to do some things "faster" , mr fraggi can get a free weekend too ..

[B-Boy]

Originally Posted by Dogmeat TBH we could use just a regular being admin and able to change stuff like maps and plug-ins on the server... Then there would be no need for making a topic for every single change :x

This will never happen. These posts are essential to get anything changed. And unfortunately were instrumental in the changes being adopted in the first place. (apart from all talk being on ofcourse. Cos that's just stupid).
Also, just because enough people vote for something, doesn't necessarily mean it's the "right" thing to do.
All those that voted for forced random should play a few rounds on the public now and tell me if the quality of play is better and more fair. It's almost like a comedy sketch.
I think some people underestimate how many people might want to play with a friend in a "TEAM" game.

[Bioraider]

Many changes are unnecessary.really. The original fraggy server was what attracted me here. no nobbish gameplay and its enjoyable most of the time. Now the feel is abit different..

and to Danny: what you talking about dude. stag b4 is great I love it. Its untraditional like dust bowl or graval pit.. maps like stag and es dynamite are great additions to the map rotation. Would be even better if we have lazy town back.

[Prisk]

There's also some mod called 'beetlesmod' which keeps banning people for ridiculous amounts of time....

[d0.]

i dont say "mr fraggi" ask never before he make changes .. i just mean we need a admin .. THAT PLAY TF2 REGULARY , and know what he do .. mr fraggi MUST need to chang nearly anything what somebody say "thats not personality to you mr fraggi" .. because he dont know mutch about tf2



btw : i play like 2 hours about 5 days , because the setup is ...


before i play nearly everyday like 2 hours or mutch more ..

[mikbhoy]

as one of the first people to bring up the 'stacking' issue which then led (indirectly) to the thread about forced random i am the first to hold my hands up and say i was WRONG.i want to make it clear that all the fm guys joining one team and running amok wasnt the reason i brought it up,the reason i brought it up was because i thought the 'stacking' would put off new people who joined the server becomimg regs.i kinda miss seeing all the clan (and prospects) in one team and it was kinda starting to sort itself out with most of the guys spreading the love to both teams.i havent been playing as much recently but when i do join now the server doesnt seem to have the same feel as before,not as much fun.so i think we should ditch the forced random and (especially) the auto assign,I want to pick the class i play as not let the server do it for me then have to change.the server also needs some regular admins (apologies if it has them already) who can deal with problems (crap maps etc) on the spot.in fact the whole thing needs some organization,we shouldnt have to be asking FM to make all the changes and then have to wait ages to have them fixed (no offence meant FM,i know you are a very busy guy).anyhoo to finish i think we need to get back to a more 'bare bones' server.

[B-Boy]

Nice one mikhboy. You are a BIG man for sure.

[mikbhoy]

Originally Posted by B-Boy Nice one mikhboy. You are a BIG man for sure.

ffs how hard is it to spell

mikbhoy


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[B-Boy]

Hahaa, I know im not the only one who actually thought it was Milkhboy originally.
In fact, i remember giggling when someone came here and said " hang on a minute, you saying there's no-one called Milkhboy ?"

[elliotuk]

yep well I for one am going to boycott this server now until (and if) it goes back to how it was.

If you came to this server for the first time and saw that you couldn't go on the same team as your freind, you couldn't spectate someone that you thought was hacking, you couldnt communicate with your team for fear of the other team hearing it because of alltalk, and saw the lack of teamwork due to this......you would laugh, think what a noob server and it must have been setup by someone that never plays TF2, then you would leave and never return. The server is now made of fail.

I don't know why these ridiculous changes were made when the server was so popular before. The way it was originaly is what attracted people so there was no need to change it.

All good things come to an end.....sigh.

[mikbhoy]

Originally Posted by elliotuk yep well I for one am going to boycott this server now until (and if) it goes back to how it was. If you came to this server for the first time and saw that you couldn't go on the same team as your freind, you couldn't spectate someone that you thought was hacking, you couldnt communicate with your team for fear of the other team hearing it because of alltalk, and saw the lack of teamwork due to this......you would laugh, think what a noob server and it must have been setup by someone that never plays TF2, then you would leave and never return. The server is now made of fail. I don't know why these ridiculous changes were made when the server was so popular before. The way it was originaly is what attracted people so there was no need to change it. All good things come to an end.....sigh.

constructive much ?

thats not the attitude to have mate,changes where made and they dont seem to be working but it doesnt mean you have to boycott the server . FM is a reasonable guy and made all the changes that where asked for (forced random,maps etc)so im sure he will look at this and maybe have a re-think.remember that this server is still fairly new and will become great again,trial and error isnt a bad thing if it helps the server become better but youve gotta try things to see if they work or not.

[elliotuk]

Originally Posted by mikbhoy constructive much ? thats not the attitude to have mate,changes where made and they dont seem to be working but it doesnt mean you have to boycott the server . FM is a reasonable guy and made all the changes that where asked for (forced random,maps etc)so im sure he will look at this and maybe have a re-think.remember that this server is still fairly new and will become great again,trial and error isnt a bad thing if it helps the server become better but youve gotta try things to see if they work or not.

yep well many of us have been patient for a long time, i don't have that attitude normally - and maybe I was a pissed off when I wrote this but people only have so much patience before they run out of it. Everyone on the server will tell you that I am a nice guy and dont normally have this attitude but this has gone on long enough - and I know that many people have gone of the server now.

The point is that for months, people have constantly been posting about problems on the server and nothing gets done. As you said Mikbhoy " im sure he will look at this and maybe have a re-think".....well I know from other clan members that he has read this and there was another thread like this before showing how dismayed everyone was, but he doesnt seem to really care what his players think. Since I have run a css server for the last 2 years I care about what the players think and when something needs to be fixed I do it. I have heard that fragmaster is a busy man - but really it takes less than 2 minutes to open up the mani_admin.cfg and change a setting. There is no excuse for letting problems go on and on without sorting it out. It really does take 2 minutes to fix.

[McChu]

If it aint broke dont fix it !!!!


Killed the game play ... good job fraggy !!!! This is not CSS please dont treat like it is!